#61
|
|||
|
|||
Not necessarily. One of the probable reasons why there are less jobs in manufacturing in the US and worldwide is the rise in productivity in most industries - fewer workers producing more. So even if you do buy local products that still doesn't mean more local jobs.
|
#62
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It has to be remembered that the Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese factories generally build a non-brand mass produced product for Western companies to market under an existing or new brand. As in so many industries it will become progressively more profitable for companies to divest of a majority of local manufacuring and become a hollowed out marketing company for the brand name only. A number of Asian manufacturers are generally not into distribution and marketing at this stage, preferring instead to rely upon an established Brand names and reputation to sell their products. Think PRS SE or Breedlove Atlas. The problem for Western manufacturing is that these guitars are now made using CNS so consistancy and build tolerances can be excellent, with luthier skills no longer a requirement past the design phase. Using CNC they can get close to the same standards of manufacuring as say Taylor... and at a lower price point; once they have a good design. After all even Taylor does not spend a lot of time with each individual guitar trying to get that extra 5% of tone and playability.......... Basically, if we buy these competively priced offerings we are often getting a CNC made guitar from an Asian or (Mexican) factory often of a superb build and quality for the price abate without the mojo... To a majority of the buying public Martin, Taylor and Gibson are generally seen (if at all in shops) as expensive, high end guitars that a majority of guitar players simply do not consider. The well built Asian made guitar simply meets the needs of a majority of players at 20% to 50% of the cost of a USA made guitar.
__________________
Finally, I have now reaIised what is important in life ,focus on your faith, family and friends and guitar; have you ever heard of a man on his deathbed say he wished he had worked a day longer! I consider myself to be a great player;.... pity my ears and fingers disagree!!!!!! Last edited by leeplaysblues; 06-06-2010 at 11:32 PM. |
#63
|
|||
|
|||
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Last edited by rosewoodsteel; 06-07-2010 at 04:25 AM. |
#64
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
- Glenn |
#65
|
|||
|
|||
I like Martins but I ain't moving to Pennsylvannia.
Last edited by rlouie; 06-06-2010 at 06:36 PM. |
#66
|
|||
|
|||
I like Pennsylvania, but ain't buying no Martin....
Oh....That's right.., I already have one. Anyway, Pennsylvania really isn't so bad. And the people there are free. |
#67
|
|||
|
|||
Which tactic would better serve a freedom fighter: encouraging free enterprise and capitalism or opposing them?
I buy guitars because I like them, but if my purchase might raise the standard of living for someone, I'm certainly not opposed to that. Interesting side note: there's a university in Beijing cranking out high-quality luthiers. Award-winning luthiers. They offer both a BA and an MA in instrument building. I'm sure there must be a similar program in the US, but I am unaware of any. I'm all for higher education and quality instruments, so this seems like a Good Thing to me.
__________________
gits: good and plenty chops: snickers |
#68
|
|||
|
|||
Asian Made
I have just bought a Cort 710 . It was made in China and is a beautiful job!
They were made in Korea until the workers had the cheek to want a fair deal then the factory was shut down and the whole works sent to China and the Philippines. But It's still a well made guitar. (sorry workers, I found out too late) |
#69
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
Mike Taylor 114ce Epiphone AJ220SCE Epiphone IB64 Texan FT-79 Ibanez Artwood AW15 Ibanez AEG10NII Ovation CC44-4q Takamine EG440C STRQ (gone) Ibanez Artcore AG75 (gone) |
#70
|
|||
|
|||
I have never owned an American made guitar.
I have lusted after them, and thier european counterparts like Lowden & McIlroy. As I now make my own, I have a stable of all European handmade instruments. but as a general rule it seems to me that Americans are more into "gotta buy home produced" than many other nations. Our manufacturing here in europe is drying up. the world has moved on and we gotta accept that. Add to that that given size of the US, for most of us outside the States, for us to buy a "home nation" instrument would be like you good American folks sticking to your STATE only........ If I was buying a DVD player would I care where it was made? nope. If I'm buying a car, I'll go by reputation & price. nationality comes joint 236th the last Northern Ireland made car was the Delorian....... there's no WAY I'm buying a locally made car!!! If I'm buying a guitar it name on the headstock is low on the list of importance, but not as low as the place of manufacture. if I find two guitars in a store which both suit my playing style and I like the feel, sound and looks. construction is similar and thay botha have all solid woods. one costs the equivelent of a days wages, and the other costs the equivelent of a month's wages. I'm gonna buy the cheaper one. for me to drop a months pay on a guitar it would need to be magnificent, and the nationality of the person (or team) who assembled it would not mean the slightest to me.
__________________
Quote:
|
#71
|
|||
|
|||
I have no problem with Chinese guitars.
I'm sure they are well build and they certainly are inexpensive. My problem is with lax environmental and safety standards I'm not listing any specifics this time around, so I ask the mods to be understanding. In the end, we usually buy what we can afford. Make joyful music and enrich the world. Last edited by rlouie; 06-07-2010 at 07:08 AM. |
#72
|
|||
|
|||
So for hundreds of years, we industrialised countries contaminated at will and now the emergent nations look like doing it, we're going to pillory them.
I reckon if you asked the average Chinese worker (IF such a person exists), if their lot has improved over the last 10 years, they'd say 'yes'. I'm stopping now as this is drifting into a philosophy discussion and can go nowhere. If the Chinese-made guitars were actually made in the USA by Chinese craftsmen, this thread wouldn't have happened.
__________________
NOT from Queen - he's much cleverer I am English, so are all my spellings Two guitars I'm happy with . . . Last edited by rlouie; 06-07-2010 at 07:08 AM. |
#73
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
IMHO, this discussion is not about where the guitars are made but rather it is about how the guitars are made and the social & environmental costs of those choices. |
#74
|
|||
|
|||
Only because some choose to make it so. It didn't start out that way ...
|
#75
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
If you want to take a stand on environmental and social issues, there are several issues here at home that may concern you. If you'd rather talk guitars, we can do that too.
__________________
gits: good and plenty chops: snickers |