The Pick Thread for Cheapskates

[RP]

Originally Posted by Tico

But you, since you sell expensive pics, have a conflict of interest posting on pick threads.
... another reason I'd never even visit your website.

By your logic, none of the AGF sponsors who sell/build guitars should contribute to threads about guitars...

Originally Posted by HHP

Only if you deseminate information solely to sell your products. He doesn't nor do the other manufacturers who participate..

Yeh, what he said....

[stringjunky]

Originally Posted by Tico

But you, since you sell expensive pics, have a conflict of interest posting on pick threads.
... another reason I'd never even visit your website.

Just like luthiers have a conflict of interest posting in the custom section or in guitar threads? You are out of order.

[Tico]

Originally Posted by stringjunky62

Just like luthiers have a conflict of interest posting in the custom section or in guitar threads? You are out of order.

Truth is out of order?

I think of AGF as a site advocating for the guitar consumer.
Perhaps I'm misinformed.
If you feel a post has broken AGF rules, by all means report it.

Admin will make the call.
Admin alone sets the tone and the policy here.

IMO, certain sponsors are too free to become blatant salespersons here.
It feels wrong to me, dirty even.
I'm on other fora with very strict rules about vendor conflict of interest, and what/how they are allowed to post.
It feels better, cleaner, and they still make tons of money, both the forum and the vendors.

I probably should subscribe to give my financial support to AGF, but I've not figured out a way to do that anonymously.

[Robosapien]

Dunlop ultex sharp 1.14, 1.0, .90. Have some of each. Whichever i grab first.

[Rudy4]

Originally Posted by Tico

Truth is out of order?

I think of AGF as a site advocating for the guitar consumer.
Perhaps I'm misinformed.
If you feel a post has broken AGF rules, by all means report it.

Admin will make the call.
Admin alone sets the tone and the policy here.

IMO, certain sponsors are too free to become blatant salespersons here.
It feels wrong to me, dirty even.
I'm on other fora with very strict rules about vendor conflict of interest, and what/how they are allowed to post.
It feels better, cleaner, and they still make tons of money, both the forum and the vendors.

I probably should subscribe to give my financial support to AGF, but I've not figured out a way to do that anonymously.

If you really want to contribute anonymously there's a big yellow "DONATE" button at the bottom of the sponsors box on the right side of the page. Paypal or credit options are taken, and nobody's going to let the cat out of the bag about your donation.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Tico

Truth is out of order?

I think of AGF as a site advocating for the guitar consumer.
Perhaps I'm misinformed.
If you feel a post has broken AGF rules, by all means report it.

Admin will make the call.
Admin alone sets the tone and the policy here.

IMO, certain sponsors are too free to become blatant salespersons here.
It feels wrong to me, dirty even.
I'm on other fora with very strict rules about vendor conflict of interest, and what/how they are allowed to post.
It feels better, cleaner, and they still make tons of money, both the forum and the vendors....

The same could be done if you feel that an AGF Sponsor steps over the line between sharing expertise and selling product. I personally am glad that there are lots of people on AGF who know guitars from the business/professional side of things and are willing to share their expertise...

[RussL30]

I've learned a lot from Scott about choosing the right pick for me and he's never once suggested his own. He led me to Dunlop prime tones.i don't understand the sour grapes and value his input.

[GaryH]

I have used the Fender 451 Extra Heavy for as long as I can remember, but bought some Dunlop Ultex 421P to try, and have been using them as well for the last few months. I don't use them because they're cheap, but because it helps produce the sound that appeals to me. I have a jar with those unlawful to import picks that I used to covet, but now I'm saving them to help pay for the grandkids' books when they go to college.

[Jobe]

Originally Posted by GaryH

I have used the Fender 451 Extra Heavy for as long as I can remember, but bought some Dunlop Ultex 421P to try, and have been using them as well for the last few months. I don't use them because they're cheap, but because it helps produce the sound that appeals to me. I have a jar with those unlawful to import picks that I used to covet, but now I'm saving them to help pay for the grandkids' books when they go to college.

You may be able to buy a college. Usually the books come with it. Which is nice.

[Mike McLenison]

Ok, my go to pick is 2-3mm horn that I shape with a dremel tool. Cheap stock out of China. Stubby Dunlops for fiddy cent are my next. I drive the top of my HD-35 hard and these cheapies will do the deed. I also like Gravity and V-Picks.

[Wolfram]

Originally Posted by Tico

But you, since you sell expensive pics, have a conflict of interest posting on pick threads.
... another reason I'd never even visit your website.

From the Acoustic Guitar Forum FAQ:

Guidelines for commercial use of the Acoustic Guitar Forum: You must be a sponsor to link to your commercial site from the AGF. The Acoustic Guitar Forum has provided the Marketplace as an appropriate place for sponsors to post advertisements. Posts elsewhere on the AGF must be informative and designed to add to the conversation or they may be moved or deleted without warning. Please limit use of the Marketplace to TWO THREADS PER DAY (two bumps of existing threads or two new threads). Additionally, sponsors are prohibited from commenting on other sponsors practices anywhere on the AGF.

I don't think any of us have done anything to contravene these rules - and hopefully some of the information, insight and experience we have provided has enriched these threads. Do you seriously think that Forum sponsors should be banned from contributing to threads in their areas of expertise? I think that would make the AGF a very strange place indeed, and much the worse off for valuable content with it.

I've been a member of AGF since 2008 (way before I first set Wolfram up as a hobby business) and one of the things that has always delighted me is the wealth of experience, engagement and sharing by some of the world's greatest luthiers at the top of their game, some of the top specialist retailers as well as the founders and designers from companies like G7th capos. AGF is a superb and unique Guitar destination on the web - the boards are not covered in pop-up advertisements and spammed by big brand marketing departments. I am proud to sponsor the AGF, and am glad to be contributing (both financially and with my input) to maintaining the community.

While we are on the subject, I think making personal attacks on individuals who are Forum sponsors and calling them things like "dirty" definitely falls foul of AGF Rule #1, and must stop:

BE NICE! The Acoustic Forum is a happy place. Mean people are not welcome here. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Treat others with respect. ...

Cheers,
David

[RP]

Originally Posted by Wolfram Slides

I don't think any of us have done anything to contravene these rules - and hopefully some of the information, insight and experience we have provided has enriched these threads. Do you seriously think that Forum sponsors should be banned from contributing to threads in their areas of expertise? I think that would make the AGF a very strange place indeed, and much the worse off for valuable content with it.

I've been a member of AGF since 2008 (way before I first set Wolfram up as a hobby business) and one of the things that has always delighted me is the wealth of experience, engagement and sharing by some of the world's greatest luthiers at the top of their game, some of the top specialist retailers as well as the founders and designers from companies like G7th capos. AGF is a superb and unique Guitar destination on the web - the boards are not covered in pop-up advertisements and spammed by big brand marketing departments. I am proud to sponsor the AGF, and am glad to be contributing (both financially and with my input) to maintaining the community...

Cheers,
David

I agree and thanks for your support....

[Charmed Life Picks]

Originally Posted by Wolfram Slides

From the Acoustic Guitar Forum FAQ:



I don't think any of us have done anything to contravene these rules - and hopefully some of the information, insight and experience we have provided has enriched these threads. Do you seriously think that Forum sponsors should be banned from contributing to threads in their areas of expertise? I think that would make the AGF a very strange place indeed, and much the worse off for valuable content with it.

I've been a member of AGF since 2008 (way before I first set Wolfram up as a hobby business) and one of the things that has always delighted me is the wealth of experience, engagement and sharing by some of the world's greatest luthiers at the top of their game, some of the top specialist retailers as well as the founders and designers from companies like G7th capos. AGF is a superb and unique Guitar destination on the web - the boards are not covered in pop-up advertisements and spammed by big brand marketing departments. I am proud to sponsor the AGF, and am glad to be contributing (both financially and with my input) to maintaining the community.

While we are on the subject, I think making personal attacks on individuals who are Forum sponsors and calling them things like "dirty" definitely falls foul of AGF Rule #1, and must stop:



Cheers,
David

David, I normally ignore these things and take the high road, but I do want to thank you for the courage of your post and add a few brief comments of my own.

"Dirty": I just gave away two picks worth a total $100.00 for the winners of a Beatles trivia contest. I do this also to help promote Charter Membership. The recipients of these picks didn't find them "dirty."

Charter Membership: David and I (and Mick, and Ted, and Maury, and so money others) support this forum with our pocketbooks, not just our words. It's interesting how some people take shots at others who are doing what they themselves won't do -- reach into our pockets and help keep this place alive. I find this deeply ironic. There's an old saying, "Don't throw rocks if you live in glass houses."

Forums that make money: I'm sure everyone here, especially Jeremy, would love to get more information on forums that "make tons of money." Then maybe he could figure out a way to make AGF more than the labor of love it is -- for guitars, for music, and for one another.

Thanks again, David, you've always been one of my favorites here. You showed me why again today. And thanks to the thousands of members who make AGF such a special place on the net.

scott memmer

[meredith]

I would like to ask, for those of us who don't part with our hard-earned cash easily but are willing to invest in something worth it, what expensive picks really earn their keep? I've used .93 mm Dunlops for years but am thinking of going heavier. But picks of metal and stone - - won't they destroy the strings? And who needs these next-level picks, are they even relevant for singer/strummers?

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by meredith

I would like to ask, for those of us who don't part with our hard-earned cash easily but are willing to invest in something worth it, what expensive picks really earn their keep? I've used .93 mm Dunlops for years but am thinking of going heavier. But picks of metal and stone - - won't they destroy the strings? And who needs these next-level picks, are they even relevant for singer/strummers?

I have a steel pick and also a very nice solid gold engraved one, kindly given to me by a band I was leaving. They sound awful! My thoughts on 'boutique' picks are well known and, to use a crude analogy, time isn't any 'better' whether you wear a Timex or a Rolex.