It's official..Composite Acoustics has been bought by Peavy - Page 15

Compurocker · #**211** 08-04-2010, 07:52 AM

Really glad to hear CA is still going to live! IMHO they should continue to use the CA name as it was a name known for making Excellent Composite/Graphite Guitars. It will just be another entity owned and controlled fully by Peavey.

Dsinned · #**212** 08-04-2010, 06:02 PM

For the few who know anything about carbon fibre guitars I think that CA has a good name for high quality, innovative guitars, but as I stated before, the name CA hardly is a 'stick to the ribs' kind of name. I have people ask what kind of guitar I have and I know that my response of "CA" probably won't stay with them for over 5 minutes. Ellis Seal designed these guitars and it would have better been named a Seal, or CAT (I heard Composite Acoustic Technologies was the full name of the company). To me, the lack of a good brand name was the first of their marketing errors.

Acousticado · #**213** 08-04-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dsinned

For the few who know anything about carbon fibre guitars I think that CA has a good name for high quality, innovative guitars, but as I stated before, the name CA hardly is a 'stick to the ribs' kind of name. I have people ask what kind of guitar I have and I know that my response of "CA" probably won't stay with them for over 5 minutes. Ellis Seal designed these guitars and it would have better been named a Seal, or CAT (I heard Composite Acoustic Technologies was the full name of the company). To me, the lack of a good brand name was the first of their marketing errors.

I love CAs and I have to agree.

Jaygits · #**214** 08-05-2010, 12:35 PM

excerpted from my earlier post ...

<<< I am happy to see CA coming back .... I wish it happened a little sooner for the sake of the brand. I like the "CA" brand, by the way, as opposed to "Composite Acoustics." It didn't matter to me what the company called itself as a dba, but I felt strongly about not going to market under those 2 words. To me it sounded more like a styrofoam factory in the hood than an innovative guitar manufacturer. >>>

I agree with you guys on the name. By the time I arrived (to CA), that goose was already cooked. CA as a brand name wasn't ideal, but I liked it much better than Composite Acoustics.

Thanks,

Jay

mchalebk · #**215** 08-05-2010, 12:44 PM

The biggest problem with "Composite Acoustics" is that it seems more like a description than a name. More than once I've had a conversation that went something like this:

"Is that one of those composite guitars?"
"Yes, it's a Composite Acoustics."
"What's it called, RainSong or something like that?"
"No, RainSong is a different composite guitar. This is a Composite Acoustics guitar?"
"But who makes it?"

I'd have to say that I prefer CA, also.

gitnoob · #**216** 08-05-2010, 01:15 PM

I don't especially like the "CA" name -- that's what a lot of people call Crazy Glue (cyanoacrylate).

And you need something searchable on eBay. I think Peavey should rebrand them.

BulletProof? NoWorries? Carbonita.

Larry Pattis · #**217** 08-05-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gitnoob

I don't especially like the "CA" name -- that's what a lot of people call Crazy Glue (cyanoacrylate).

And you need something searchable on eBay. I think Peavey should rebrand them.

BulletProof? NoWorries? Carbonita.

I think "Datsun" is available.

tbeltrans · #**218** 08-05-2010, 01:39 PM

How about CACA, since it is the "second coming" of CA Guitars.

Oops, guess I was never meant to be in marketing...

Tony

chistrummer · #**219** 08-06-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Pattis

Well, yeah, I agree...I wasn't sure how to respond to that part of things...not to mention how dealers may have been burned by CA, and this being mentioned now, here.

Personally, I am less interested in "dirt," and more interested in good guitars.

Dealers getting shafted is a part of this topic, more so than a truss rod in my opinion. The week after CA shut down, McNicols sold off all of their CA's at cost, and so did a lot of other dealers. Mike only had about fifteen guitars listed so his loss was only about $10,000 but I'm sure it was substantial for Mike..

califblues · #**220** 08-06-2010, 07:38 PM

[QUOTE=Jeff M;2293161]Yep. There are.
Or, more accurately, optimal neck angle and saddle height on new guitars which allow the player enough saddle to lower the action if they so choose to do so at time of purchase, not to mention lowering it over the years as the neck angle changes with guitar aging.

From Frets.com;
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musi...neckangle.html

And from William Cumpiaon;
http://www.cumpiano.com/Home/Newslet...wsletter3.html

The so called neck angle on my HG Cargo is exactly as the FRETS setup shows. the top of the frets hits the top of the bridge with a straight edge.

revive · #**221** 08-06-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by petelor

Dealers getting shafted is a part of this topic, more so than a truss rod in my opinion. The week after CA shut down, McNicols sold off all of their CA's at cost, and so did a lot of other dealers. Mike only had about fifteen guitars listed so his loss was only about $10,000 but I'm sure it was substantial for Mike..

How does selling at cost create a loss? If Mike sold a bunch of CA's at cost, he didn't make any money but probably didn't lose any, either (except normal overhead costs).

Doubleneck · #**222** 08-07-2010, 01:50 AM

Michael made a business decision and didn't want the risk of carrying the inventory. I think you are right he didn't loose but businesses are not in business to break even. Some dealers actually upped prices. On some models that was possible. It was surprising how quickly they went out.
Steve

califblues · #**223** 08-07-2010, 08:59 AM

I have 3 CA's. Bought in 2010. All high glossers. OX, Cargo, TOB Legacy.
All the neck angles are fine. The top of frets are straight with the top of the bridge plate. Break angle is ok. I guess CA may have had some early issues I dont know but mine are fine. I set mine up more like a factory Martin so I'm not looking for how low you can go. There is a very slight neck relief in all of them. Less in the Cargo. I do not ever foresee needing a truss rod. Never. I also do not foresee ever putting medium gauge strings on any of them and for sure not on a Cargo. Like to wish Peavy all the best with their new venture. Hope they keep up with the CA quality. The design patents alone are worth the price they paid for the CA equipment. (I might add I would have NEVER purchased any of these guitars and I have a considerable investment here if they had a 1 11/16 size neck)

Doubleneck · #**224** 08-07-2010, 11:30 AM

You and I bought at the right time. The irony was that they were really stressing quality control at the end, putting in cards in the cases with the setup measurements and a phone number with the name of the setup person if you had an issue. I think these cards started during 2009. Mine was right on as well, built Sept. 22, 2009.
Steve

Dsinned · #**225** 08-07-2010, 04:04 PM

(I might add I would have NEVER purchased any of these guitars and I have a considerable investment here if they had a 1 11/16 size neck)[/QUOTE]

I said that they might have made a mistake totally dropping the 1 11/16. I am also a big proponent of the 1 3/4 neck and asked for it while visiting the old factory. They said that they had gotten many such requests. I wonder if anybody feels they lost a substantial portion of the market by not offering the smaller neck. Also, as I contemplated the name game, SEAL could have been a really good one with the Leopard, Gray, Elephant etc. as models.