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AFAIK, there is no "proper" saddle height. You need enough saddle to torque the top, but what is "proper" for wood might be overkill for carbon fiber. The real question is does a low saddle on a CA kill the tone? My guess is no.
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So many companies that do something well get taken over and the product quality crashes. There are numerous examples, I wonder if that will be the case with CA Guitars?
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There is a reason CA went 'belly up' selling guitars at the prices they were.
Will we want them at the prices Peavey will need to charge to fix that?
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Out of all the CA and RainSong guitars I've either owned or auditioned, I've only seen one guitar, a new RainSong DR1000 Dreadnought, that arrived at my local dealer in February, and is still currently available, that has a typical Martin guitar saddle-height and break-angle. Maybe carbon guitars can be built a little differently than wooden guitars, and get away with lower saddle height and break-angle? Of course, getting too little break-angle would cause string slippage, etc. The tone and playability didn't seem to suffer on any of the low-saddle, low break-angle carbon guitars I've been familiar with but maybe the latest RainSong models are endeavoring to incorporate a higher bridge-saddle with steeper break-angle? I understand your concerns and, personally, if this is a trend, I'm glad to see it happening! My next RainSong will be ordered with RainSong's new adjustable truss-rod N2 neck. I think we're starting to see more-and-more things happening on the carbon guitar front (all brands included) which will make these guitars much more appealing to more guitarists. Regards, SpruceTop
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There is also the variability of what gauge strings are used, and while, for instance, Larrivée ships their parlors (24" scale) with medium gauge strings, CA chose to ship their sub-23" scale cargo with lights. Go figure. Choosing lights, and standard pitch for the sub-23" scale provided for ultra-floppy strings, and other woes. It's too bad. My playing is fairly aggressive, while using no picks. I don't strum, but digging in (and with rest-strokes) can be a pretty string-exciting thing, even in the fingerstyle world. P.S. There *are* standards or parameters for basic set-up specs, within the context of a few different playing styles. Ask any tech. These specs don't change when you go to a carbon fiber guitar. Slight modifications are necessary at the super-short scale lengths, but you still need enough string height at the saddle (after getting to the specs) for a good string angle. Saying that the bridges are thick (as an excuse) is the oldest trick in the book for a manufacturer that does not want to do a neck re-set on a guitar...or for a manufacturer that *cannot* do a neck re-set, as per the CA product. Sure, go ahead and shave the bridge. Wait, I have a better idea...build the guitar correctly. ...not to mention that maybe Peavey'll decide to include an adjustable truss-rod.
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Looking forward the the return and evolution of CA under Peavey.....i am hoping the gx raw makes it back as we know the cargo will.
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I was the first Canadian dealer for CA and have been selling them consistently since they first started up. Even before the Lafayette factory. I like them. They are unique.
However, I doubt whether Peavy will sell to a boutique type of shop like mine.
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Hartley Peavey is a true gentleman and genuinely bulding guitars.
But I was kinda hoping he was going to buy Gibson.
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This is awesome! Now I can make a claim to fame as owning a Pre-Peavey Composite Acoustics!
I'm happy, that really made my day. Does anyone know if they're going to bring back the original staff or if they are going to get new workers all around? |
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On the other hand, will Peavey be able to use its manufacturing & distribution scales to produce & sell Peavey-CA guitars at the same (or even more) competitive pricing? I don't know enough about this industry to answer the question. But it's a question worth considering IMHO.
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A saddle that is too low at a good set-up height is simply too low....usually due to an improper neck angle. I hope that Peavey considers this, at least with the Cargo model, which is the only one I've examined closely. ...oh, and in case I forgot to mention this earlier, I hope they think about adding an adjustable truss-rod.
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