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Great post ryod that pretty much sums up my understanding! I would add that the current system sucks for patrons too. When I do covers, people LIKE it.
It's the patrons that have all the power here, and that's who (as a coffee shop owner) I'd be preaching to.
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The artists whose songs were covered at this restaurant, on the other hand, would likely not see a dime whether this fee was paid to BMI or not.
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The folk music boom of the 60's would have never happened if every coffee shop had to pay to allow musicians to sing songs written by someone else.
Today, if Arlo Guthrie, for example, came to sit in, he couldn't sing 3/4 of his material. |
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You go into Tobias music and take that beautiful Greenfield off the wall, pay the proprietor for it and walk out. Then Tobias music makes its payment to the licensing agency who split the money among the various guitar manufacturers based on the guitars that were used in the top 300 tours last year. 30% of the money goes to Fender. 30% goes to Gibson. 15% goes to Taylor. 10% goes to Martin. The remainder goes to a number of smaller companies, but none to Greenfield because the licensing company didn't see any Greenfields on one of those tours last year. |
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Songwriters should or should not be paid for their work, yes or no? If no, than neither should you, or Tobias Music, or Arnie's Sandwich Shack, or Verizon. How about we tap into a phone line and make free calls around the world - Woo Hoo - no one knows, no one gets hurt, everybody happy - except for Verizon. My example to Tobias is the same thing as not paying for music - it's called theft. Some folks don't seem to mind songwriters being stolen from, as it appears to them that it's not real - you can bet your life that these folks aren't songwriters. However, bring it home to your income earning device, and it's always different. Roll away the dew from your eyes, Franklin - next theft might be something of yours. Pretty strange for me to see that on an acoustic guitar players site, there are so many who are actively embracing stealingl from songwriters and artists . . . . . maybe I should move to a more professional site, because in a land of no ears, yelling makes no difference. Last edited by Landru; 08-19-2013 at 02:56 PM. |
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This, along with performing my own original work, has been my solution - but not without fear. What reliable guidance is there for determining what traditional/folk music is truly safely in the public domain?
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Seems like you should be able to either: a) Pass that hat, "Hey, we've got a tip jar up here, it costs us some money to put this on so if y'all could each throw in a buck or two, it'd be appreciated" I'm willing to bet you'd make more than $13. or b) Have the MC between acts say something like, "Hey, guys, just wanted to let you know that it does cost something to keep this place open and run this open mic, and we want to keep this free, so do us as favor and buy a cupcake or a latte." And, you know, I think you might sell five lattes if you did that, which is more than going to cover your $13 even after the cost of beans and milk. For the patrons of such a venue to feel that buying a cup of coffee is the unofficial price of a couple of hours entertainment, that's not exactly a bad thing (especially if it's voluntary-but-expected-unless-you're-broke, you know?) Or charge performers two dollars, which I've seen open mics do plenty of times. Again, we're talking $13 a night. Even if you double it because a BMI license is just as expensive, there is no way this should be a deal-breaker. That any of these options would easily cover the cost of the license (with money to spare, almost certainly!) makes the point. There's is no reason why the need for a license should stop these events from happening. |
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What I was trying to figure out was....since the restaurant didn't profit from the live music, shouldnt BMI go after the performer instead ?
Oh, and Landru, be sure to bring some doggie treats for Zeus when you stop by. He loves a late nite snack. |
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But, that's where it starts to get confusing thanks to the good 'ol digital age. If I illegally download an album, is it copyright infringement or theft? There has to be a difference between copyright infringement and theft, but some things aren't clear cut. Reminds me of something I jokingly said to a friend a while ago. Quote:
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I can't stop you from endorsing breaking the laws of intellectual property and the system of royalty collection it employs - enjoy your ill-gotten gains, you sneaky person. When it happens to you, you'll be the first to shout loud from the highest mountain, "I've been robbed - help me!" |
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As amateur performers, we're not making any money. The coffee shop stays open at night when there's no other business just to provide us amateurs with a place play and to enjoy emulating artists we love. And we're making sure that some way, some how, Townes Van Zandt's estate gets a buck in the process...
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Are "covers" at open mics being squeezed out?
I wish I could drink coffee in the evening.
Keeps me up all night. |