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Seems to me that while there are still purists among us who insist on real tube amps, every shop I've visited lately is full of tube amps people are trying to off-load. Without a solid heritage to rely upon, I don't see a corporate rebranding effort selling many heavy tube amps these days. They may be excellent amps, but I give them two years of production, tops. JMO
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In the late 90's to early 2000's, Gibson (by then, owned by the infamous Henry) acquired Trace Elliott and asked them to design amplifiers using the Gibson brand, and the Goldtone and Super Goldtone amps came into the picture, being endorsed by the likes of Joe Perry (Aerosmith).
I actually own two Gibson amps: a 1957 GA9, and a 2001 Super Goldtone GA30RV (10"+12", and the rare 5 button footswitch). The GA9 is a very special sounding amp, and in combination with my 1957 ES-125, they have that old jazz sound in spades! But curiously, the amp does not overdrive... it is always kind of clean, and with the volume maxed, it sounds blotted, so I prefer its sound with the volume at 2-3, and use a drive pedal for dirt (it takes pedals very well). The newer GA30RV is a VOX AC30 inspired beast. Very heavy and over built to endure the most drastic abuse, and boy, it does sound fantastic! I can clearly see where Gibson is heading now and I welcome this new addition. I also hope they will now sell replacement parts (those logos and handles are so difficult to get for the old vintage amps). Obviously, they are PCB built, but there is nothing bad about it if its done well, and Mesa clearly have a history in doing that. |
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FYI. I still think these new Falcons are neat. After a Gibson/Mesa dealer said except for weight I have what they do and more I put on my delay gratification hat and dug into all the Lone Star Special settings more than ever, and also used the owner manual pages templates for recording settings. Then I looked at used prices at a few sources.
My conclusion is anyone here complaining about the price or "one trick pony" aspects probably has a LSS for sale near them for less money. What might really keep me at status quo is recording the other subtitles the other Mesas can do. For several years I've mostly set it with a clean and drive between the channels. I feel silly that I was not giving more consideration to how the two channels also have the completely different reverb settings, and you can also use the "solo" and not just drive in addition to gain. Very funny to have forgotten what I already own. If my son wants my Princeton Reverb I would still seriously consider the Falcons. One more element in "delay gratification" is I spent more time exploring more boutique as well as bargain stuff. There's absolutely fantastic stuff but seriously expensive. Basically I still feel these Falcons are great but have new or reborn appreciation for some other Mesa models whether current new ones or the used market that has the Express line, both Lone Star families and others. Also new or refreshed understanding for why some have a lot of amps.
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Now I understand the notion and attraction of used price vs new for any particular object. But I am unclear as to why anyone would use used prices compared to new prices for different objects as a price complaint criteria for the new price ?? Seems to me that is simply an apples to kumquat situation and if you are not comparing new price to new price it is false equivalence and faulty logic
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It also just stood out to me from the shopping and trying stuff all that a few Mesa models do, and where people do have a price barrier they could be an option worth considering. If my Princeton Reverb becomes our son's in long term I'll absolutely be shopping for a lighter tube amp. I still stand firm on thinking these new Falcons are good in numerous ways among the choices we have for new amps.
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That thing was a beast. 90lbs, you didn't want to move it. EVER. But, By God it sounded great!
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Does that mean they are inherently better or worse? No. But both hand-wired and PTP are features that, justified or not, are premium and can command higher prices. In that sense, yes, the prices of these Gibson amps are inflated using deceptive marketing. |
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Fair enough. Is current Gibson worse than Norlin Gibson?
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That being said, these are priced a little high, but not ridiculous. The Falcon 20 is similar to a 12" Princeton combo that is assembled in the US and has power scaling. Are those last two things worth $300 over the Fender? Some people will say yes. Last edited by 67goat; 03-07-2024 at 04:00 PM. |
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Given that technically speaking while the term "point to point" does automatically preclude the use of a PCB ,,, the term 'hand wired" does not. Now it may be assumed to mean that, but that is subjective assumption
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The two '78 RD Artist guitars I had were excellent.
So, it's a Gibson marketing term, then.
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Thanks to guitar players and audiophiles, there's a small but steady market for tubes. That means that while far fewer companies make tubes, the ones that do continue to do good business.
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And yes, I would put the marketing on Gibson rather than Mesa. |