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I do hear you when it comes to the 2 3/8" string spacing at the bridge. To me that would be a major selling point for the Murphy Lab instrument. What I also would be looking for in a guitar though is one having its own voice which is not to say it has to come off as a dead bang sound alike for my '32 L1. My take on Gibson is that even though they can build instruments with a precision Kalamazoo could only have dreamed of, they always seem to get something wrong when it comes to their attempts to recreate guitars from past catalogs. This can range from ignoring a period correct number of tone bars, going with their standard modern string spacing at the bridge and nut width rather than what the guitar originally sported, or simply the angle of the script logo. But I rack that up to Gibson just being Gibson.
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I here of new Martins having issues all the time. Yet Gibson has the reputation of being inconsistent. Lifes not fare.
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FWIW I’ve owned both and like the Murphy Lab better. Totally subjective. I’d like to hear the opinion of someone like Mark Stutman who knows the Gibsons inside and out.
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I'd also like to hear more about comparisons with the MS-00 IRIS guitar Mark help design.
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neck shape at first fret and 12th fret
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Saddle does look a little tall. Not sure if I have a proper straight edge to check neck angle.
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Anyways, I always compare a good vintage example to a good modern example. No point in comparing dogs. I did own a very nice J-45 Legend built by Ren Ferguson and crew, which I gifted to my son-in-law. It didn't rival a similarly nice vintage example, but was the best modern J-45 I've played. And unlike the new Historics I've tried, it didn't have a cheap tacky finish and intentional holes in the bridgleplate. |
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I had one of the first Legends Ren built with his son in his living room. Weighed a ton (4lb 10oz) and sounded like it. It didn't last a week in my house. But the guy I bought it from and the guy I sold it to both love it. Go figure. I agree the Historic series finish could be better. I like that it's super thin, but they don't level it well, so you get all that orange peeling around the body. I actually don't mind that, but I do think something like what small shops are doing, or like what's on the aged Authentic series, is a better looking finish. "Tacky?" I've played maybe half dozen Historics. Never noticed anything tacky about the finish. Bren didn't mention that in his reviews either. |
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Woah be the guitar manufacturer who had a twenty or so year bad patch. Takes a long time to overcome. But even Norlin cranked out a gem now and then. I view my 65 Texan as the twilight of a golden time for Gibson, 60 to 65 still producing, if not legendary, very good guitars. Even the earlier years are inconsistent, just inconsistently great.
I can't say I've played a bad Boseman built guitar. But they have captured the glory years to about the same extent as Martin has with Authentics. Like Martin, they profit from the name, much like a lot of brands. I filter out much of the product coming from both companies, but they need it. Not a fan of cheaper US built product just for the sake of it. Hit or miss, but I'm not in that market. As always, play, like, and buy.
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I checked these out with others during a bunch of recent shopping at great stores. It was interesting having been GAS-free for so long. For others that was some Martins and smaller builders in same price range.
The Gibsons in general and especially electrics were better that 10 or so years ago. For this $5000+ range it still seemed like your best chance for super responsive guitars comes from the small builders like Santa Cruz and Collings but the Gibsons and Martin's can be great too. What I really disliked was the pre-aged and this relic stuff now jumping from electrics to acoustics. That is my hangup for thinking it is so poseur but I know others love it. It is easy to believe there is something to the trying for pre-aged wood. Though my SCGC was bought new it was made from old wood stash and I think that is part of why it has always been so stable. One way or another, it seems like someone totally loyal Gibson brand has better made stuff these days.
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Are you back yet? All of the what you said above is why we value your opinion, ZW! Err, for the people that think the new L-00 Murph sounds better than a real vintage Gibson L-00, well...really? You think it would sound better than my 1937? Ha ha ha ha ha .... (but I would take the new one out of the house and my oldie, hmm, nope).... BluesKing777. |