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Opinions is what the OP asked for - please don't be offended that they were offered.
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For what it is worth my Martin D 35 is as equally loud as my Taylor 418 RW (Jumbo) and not as big!
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Toby Walker's post (and Silly Mustache's, as well) point to the design intentions and considerations that underlie the simple generalities/stereotypes about bigger size = louder. |
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Fact I own a db sound level meter I tested the following guitars and came up with following DB's in c weighting for each of them. The guitars were all measured in a studio control room with each guitar the same distance from the meter and in the same location of the room.
Martin sigma dread solid spruce top and laminate mahogany b&s 98 db Boulder creek dread solid spruce top laminate rosewood sides solid rosewood back metal bracing 96 db Deadwood on style body black locust b&s hemlock top 93 db Alvarez dread spruce top solid (I think) mahogany b&s 96 db Deadwood parlor hemlock top black locust b&s 89 db Triple 000 Alvarez folk all laminate dao wood 93 db Last edited by macmanmatty; 06-15-2017 at 01:53 PM. Reason: cansomeone remove the postreply button from the edit page? it screws me up everytime!! |
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Interesting, is that raw sound pressure, or is there a frequency-dependent correction for the human ear response that we'd need to include?
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That is the measurement of sound pressure level in decibels c weighting using a pressure meter. It is what they use to determine how much sound isolation is needed for recording studios. here is a link that explains the weightings https://www.noisemeters.com/help/faq...-weighting.asp
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Personally I never take any real notice about the loudness of a guitar. Sweetness of tone, yes but loudness?!!
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All things being equal, wood bracing design, etc., etc., larger guitars are louder to a point with perhaps the dreadnaught at the top of the scale. After that, perhaps just the base is more pronounced. I may be wrong and invite any professional criticism of my post.
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Louder...maybe! Heavier, oh yeah!
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............. Loud ........................ Louder (and heavy!).......................Quite Loud ....................... Really Loud ....................... Loud Enough
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One way to look at it is to take it to the extreme. A ¼ size dread shaped body vs. full size dread. No question the full size will seem louder up close, but what is the measure? The ¼ size may be heard farther away, I can’t know since I have never tested, but you get the idea.
The question ”does size matter?” has been asked of many things. Let’s just say bigger is not always better. |
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That's *not what she said.
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Myth. Most J-200's, one of the largest guitars ever built, don't put out all that much when compared to any of the 00, Deep OO, OOO/OM guitars in my collection.
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Bass volume and treble volume are different things.
In order to get volume out of a bass note, a great deal more work must be done to get the same perceived volume of a treble note. One example. If a rock band has a bass player and a guitar player and the band plays at a volume that anyone would consider very loud in a small bar, the bass player probably is playing and amp with at least 300 watts of power. The guitar player can be playing a 50 watt head on his amp. Both are similarly loud, but it take a lot more wattage to drive the long waves necessary for the bass to perceived as loud enough to match the guitar. Another example. In an orchestra, a tiny violin is often used as a loud solo instrument, to get the perceived volume necessary a double bass viol has to be huge to generate enough power to put the bass notes forward to an audience. Is the bass louder? Why are violins considered THE solo instrument of the orchestra? Why are there so many more trumpet concertos than tuba concertos? Of course it is easier to get fast, virtuoso lines from a violin, but it also has to do with how a small instrument can do less work, but be perceived by us to be louder. So for guitars, it is generally best to get a box size and shape that is ideal for the sound and registers you prefer. More power is necessary to make low sounds appear to be equal in volume. So the question becomes, what is "loud" to you. Piercing highs are very loud. But are they louder than a consistent fundamentally rich bass? Depends on how you perceive it. More bass tends to require a larger tone generating system be it an amp or a wooden resonating box. But anything can be loud. |