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I do like a 1 11/16 neck and for me my Legacy 1 3/4 is a little too wide. But I don't think that made a difference in their market share. Like or not the 1 3/4 is now the new norm, probably helped much more that it hurt. It is nice to have one of the original factory X's with the 11/16 neck. But the Legacy is the better guitar for my flat picking style.
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In the "For What It's Worth" Department, I had a 'Tech Tuesday' and restrung my Cargo. It had Elixir Nanoweb 11's (extra-lights). I put D'Addarrio EJ-17's on it (13-56 medium PB for the uninitiated) and checked the relief and action over 2 days.
Remember, It has NO truss rod. Absolutely NO change.And the action is delightful. I enjoy the warmer less sizzly sound and greater tension, too.
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You might want to take a few business classes, or at least do some online research before weighing in on this..
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Or maybe what you meant by "loss" is really Lost Revenue, not Operating Loss. But again, in business school and throughout my business career, "Loss" always refers to Operating Loss or Net Loss, but never lost revenue.
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I am intrigued that this discussion ended in 2010. Here we are, 5 years later, and I just pulled up their catalog. NO TRUSSROD! Any comments?
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To CA, it would appear that Peavey did not think an adjustable truss rod was needed. What was needed of course was to make the guitars profitable, so the days of the $799 Cargo RAW, and $999 OX RAW are gone. Perhaps once folks accept the new pricing, Peavey can start thinking about a truss rod. A lot has happened in the five years since I started this thread. Rainsong introduced two amazing models, the Shorty and the Parlor, a new 12-fret short scale neck option, as well as some new finishes. We now have a take down all carbon fiber travel guitar built in China priced at $1099 with K&K style pickup, the Journey OF660. The designer of the Cargo, Ellis Seal, got together with McPherson Guitars to build a better Cargo, the Kevin Michael travel guitar. And while this new CF travel guitar is better in every way than the Cargo, sadly it needed to come in at a $2200 price tag, which has been a hard sell. I'm told a full size version of this guitar is in the works, but details are very limited. Besides new shapes and sizes, we have a new material as well. Joe Luttwak, owner and design genius of Blackbird Guitars, introduced a new material he calls Ekoa. The new material sounds so much like wood that it just may be a game changer in the industry. The Clara Uke holds it's own with the best solid wood Ukulelels out there, and the closest tonal comparison we have to the new El Capitan is a Collings MJ. No kidding. Stay tuned to more from Joe. Sadly Macnichol guitars, a huge advocate of CF guitars has shut down, as did their carbon forum. Mike and I shared a strong passion for carbon guitars, in fact we would send each other our customs for evaluation. I spent a whole afternoon comparing his all unidirectional Jumbo to a standard JM100, and a CO-JM1000, and wrote a review on his forum. His custom Jumbo actually launched the short-lived Rainsong Bluegrass model. I sent Mike our first LA limited, the LA1-LE, which was the first Rainsong to feature a unidirectional top on a hybrid body. After his evaluation Mike sent me an amazing video of the guitar. The LA1-LE launched the Shorty of course, and the rest is history. Mike is a sponsor/member here, so hopefully he will chime in from time to time to share his extensive knowledge. Oh, and since Larry Pattis was so prominent in this thread, I want to mention that since starting this thread, I got to meet Larry in person at one of his shows. The man is not only a phenomenal guitarist, but a really great guy as well. Looking forward to his next LA show. |
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This thread is SOOOO 2010.......... sorry, had to say it.
FWIW, we have three CF guitars. Rainsong WS-1000, Rainsong PMJ-1000 and a recent Peavey Cargo in gloss blue. None of them have truss rods and none are needed, IMO. I know others will disagree, but I put have used lights and mediums and hybrid light-medium sets on all three guitars, tuned them up and down through several different slack key tunings, and have never perceived any difference in relief or action. These necks just don't move, as far as I can tell or feel. |
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I just recently picked up I'm guessing an early model Legacy.....plays and sounds fantastic.
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I'm enjoying my Rainsong BI OM very much. Thanks. |
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I feel kind of bad about this being resurrected, mostly because I think Peavey is already facing an uphill battle competing against other CF builders, especially with pricing and brand name ("What's that?" / "It's a CA guitar." / "Huh?" / "Composite Acoustics." / "Oh, who makes it?" / "CA Guitars. It's a CA Guitars guitar. It's a Composite Acoustics acoustic." Sigh.)
Between '03 and '09, I owned 9 or so pre-Peavey CAs...partly because I was a fan, and partly because I was chasing perfection. (Some I kept for years, some I sold or returned quickly.) About half, especially earlier models, had neck angle issues or too much relief, especially with heavier strings. (As I understand, pre-Peavey CA's method of getting proper relief was allowing their necks to flex into the correct relief. That almost worked.) But their necks did flex, and I personally think they did too much. From what I've read, Peavey fixed neck angle with a new machine and made the necks stronger. I can't personally comment on current CAs. Did try a Peavey Cargo that was good. There are some good pre-Peavey CAs out there, don't get me wrong. My Emerald has a truss rod, but it's just for adjusting to preference--I've put a variety of string tensions on it without seeing the neck change. That's ideal. I've heard the same about Rainsong, but I haven't experimented with gauges on my Rainsong. |
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Yes, Alastair is documented as saying they discontinued hollow (i.e. no truss rod) mechs because customers wanted the option to adjust neck relief which the two way truss rod in his guitars can do. Like most above I'd say a truss rod is not required in a CF guitar in the same way as in a tone wood guitar but I do like the ability to tweak the setup that my X7's truss rod allows.
My Eastwood Custom was built with a stainless steel bar in place of the truss rod (a bit of an experiment which I was an active party to). Brian did rebuild the neck a few years later to install a truss rod as it was gradually moving backwards. We decided that this was because the ebony FB was changing at a different rate to the maple neck as the guitar aged. It has been fine ever since.
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Thank you, and so glad the Rainsong is working out.
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Michael Manring (plays with Don Ross & Andy McKee), who is arguably one of the most talented bass players alive, has been using 3 octave fretless composite necks for years with no truss rod. His action HAS to be perfect. He demands so much from his instrument. He will change tunings over a hundred times in some songs and his necks don't move. He tours and never worries about his necks. Many composite necks do not have truss rods. If the relief is correct, what is there to adjust? String height is adjusted at the saddle. Here's a ridiculous example of Michael's playing, progressive slapping and tapping while integrating harmonics and re-tuning like crazy and just ... WOW... in someones living-room (???) |