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Besides the build, here are the differences that matter to me. Tuners are better on the 1512. 1512 has a smoother legato sound than the more staccato sound of the 2512. Probably due to the different effects of the woods used. Which results in a quicker decay rate on the 2512. The 1512 has more resonance and a longer decay rate. I think the octave strings sound a tad more pronounced on the 2512, again due to the smoother sound of the 1512. The 1512 can be played louder than the 2512. Again goes to woods used. And played softly, the 1512 sounds almost angelic. The 1512 has elicited many favorable comments, including from other guitar players as well as listeners. And I enjoy playing the rosewood 1512 more because I too think a lot of it. So all in all, just based on the guitars themselves, the 1512 is a superior guitar. The other big consideration is cost. To use ballpark numbers, the 1512 is twice the price of the 2512. Variations include whether or not to get a 1512 with or without electronics while the 2512 comes already electronically equipped. Never put a battery in it, so I won't comment on it. The 1512 comes with about a $100 gig bag too, but I view it as a 1512 bonus rather than a deal-breaker on the 2512. In fact, I separately ordered the same Premium bag from Guild for the 2512. So in summation, if I had to get/keep only one, it would be an easy decision in favor of the 1512. Such a great sound and well worth the price. I will admit to a bias toward Jumbo guitars and spruce tops paired with rosewood back and sides. I find Jumbo guitars lend themselves to having a great natural balance. My other 12 strings include a solid spruce/rosewood Taylor 458 Grand Orchestra (a Jumbo relation with a wider waist) and a solid spruce/sapele Taylor 355 Jumbo. Can you try these out before buying? Nothing is as good as playing them yourself. Be well and chose well, Don .
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*The Heard: 85 Gibson J-200 sitka/rosewood Jumbo 99 Taylor 355 sitka/sapele 12 string Jmbo 06 Alvarez AJ60S englmn/mpl lam med Jmbo 14 Taylor 818e sitka/rosewood Grand Orchestra 05 Taylor 512ce L10 all mahogany Grand Concert 09 Taylor all walnut Jmbo 16 Taylor 412e-R sitka/rw GC 16 Taylor 458e-R s/rw 12 string GO 21 Epiphone IBG J-200 sitka/maple Jmbo 22 Guild F-1512 s/rw 12 string Jmbo Last edited by donlyn; 04-28-2024 at 09:24 PM. Reason: proof-reading |
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I had one. Yes, very good value. Jumbo size, abalone rosette. (But like most lower-end guitars, the bass was not as full as those at the higher-ends.) Still, I enjoyed it so much, it motivated me to get a US-built Guild 12-string. Started with a used JF30-12 built in Corona. At the time it was less than $1,000, which was a fabulous deal. Still a favorite! I'm surprised what these are going for now, although reverb sold listings are considerably less than the prices on active listings, so use "make offer" and maybe there are still some good deals on these. If you buy used online, ask lots of questions about condition, action, saddle, neck angle, etc.
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I have a D1512(e)
It's a canon. I needed to get it setup right, but once that was done, it's a great player. in case you are interested....
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Allow me to re-iterate, Good luck and good hunting ! (_o)===### Don .
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*The Heard: 85 Gibson J-200 sitka/rosewood Jumbo 99 Taylor 355 sitka/sapele 12 string Jmbo 06 Alvarez AJ60S englmn/mpl lam med Jmbo 14 Taylor 818e sitka/rosewood Grand Orchestra 05 Taylor 512ce L10 all mahogany Grand Concert 09 Taylor all walnut Jmbo 16 Taylor 412e-R sitka/rw GC 16 Taylor 458e-R s/rw 12 string GO 21 Epiphone IBG J-200 sitka/maple Jmbo 22 Guild F-1512 s/rw 12 string Jmbo |
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My 12 is an Alvarez-Yairi DY76. It really doesn't get played enough, tbh, though I did just replace the strings and give it a good cleaning/polish.
When I do play it, I love the sound!
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A large bodied, solid wood, scalloped (or lightly) braced 12 string is one of my favorite instruments. It is difficult to get everything you want in a 12 string when you plan to use it regularly, and not just when the mood strikes you.
I just completed my hunt for a professional level instrument that I can use for gigs. I needed something that was powerful, stable, and played easily. I ended up with the Larrivee L-09-12. There are cheaper options out there from Larrivee like the L-03-12R, etc. Or, from Taylor, like the 150e and the 254(+)ce. that will get you about 75% of the big tone and play easily. Breedlove is also good. You may find that the Eastman 12 strings play well for you with a good setup. I didn't find the import Guild necks to play that easily. Your experience may be different. The Yamaha LL-16-12 plays very easily, and sounds great, but the string spacing is too tight for finger pickers, in my opinion. Good luck!
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That does sound good. I think you really lucked out with that one!
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I really do think the Guild F-1512 would be a very cool 12-string to own and it's priced very reasonably for an all-solid wood jumbo 12-string. I think you would really be happy with this 12-string! Ray's video does a great job of showing you how good this 12-string really is. Don's comments, too, from someone else who owns this guitar are worth a great deal, in my opinion.
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Thanks for listening, felt that it was a pretty good account for what the guitar can do. one thing for sure, It's loud!
It comes stocked with 10-gauge strings. Just wanted to mention. Looking at the new ones I don't see a pickup listed in the specs for the listings on Sweetwater. Mine came with a Fishman PreSonus. You can hear some of that in the video as I blended in a bit of what was coming out of my studio monitors. That particular model ships with a Guild Sem-soft gib bag. Pretty good quality case from what I can see. I did buy a Gator hard case for this one though. I don't know if the semi-soft cases handle the dry climates during new England winters all that well. While I'm sure one of the US Based Guild 12s are wonderful, this is 3x / 4x less money but IMO not 3x/4x less of a guitar Very solid. I've had this since 2018, no issues at all.
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