Came Across Another Neck Sunken Godin

[Wellington]

Checked out a pawn shop yesterday and was looking at a cool little Art & Lutherie parlor, $200 CAD. It had high action at the 12th, playable I'd say, but would be uncomfortable/annoying higher up the neck. Looked at the bridge, the saddle had been sanded down to a point where there is essentially zero break on some strings. You wouldn't be able to get that saddle any lower, it's too low already. Appeared to be a post 06. Anyway, poor soul who spends money on that, hopefully they know what's up and get it dirt cheap and can get a year or two out of it.

[davenumber2]

Even if it didn't have the epoxied neck I doubt anyone would pay for a reset on a $200 guitar. There are plenty of guitars like that floating around.

[jmjohnson]

Whew - glad I traded my A&L Roadhouse parlor towards something else last week (just not liking the tone).
I had just set it up and had to sand the saddle a bit - more then other guitars but didn't SEEM like it was anything crazy. Huh.

[Wellington]

Originally Posted by davenumber2

Even if it didn't have the epoxied neck I doubt anyone would pay for a reset on a $200 guitar. There are plenty of guitars like that floating around.

True, but I know a number of people who have done their own neck resets for free, besides the glue cost.

[Wellington]

Originally Posted by jmg257

Whew - glad I traded my A&L Roadhouse parlor towards something else last week (just not liking the tone).
I had just set it up and had to sand the saddle a bit - more then other guitars but didn't SEEM like it was anything crazy. Huh.

Yeah, if I were to buy a new one I'd make sure the angle is good. There's a brand new Simon & Patrick Woodland Cedar nearby at a store I liked at a while ago while checking out guitars, it had not a great neck angle right off the hop, high action at 12th, the saddle could be sanded down but it was a particularly high saddle to begin with. The Seagull next to it, also brand new, has a good action and good saddle height. Again, some poor soul will end up with the S&P, hopefully it won't have issues too soon.

[12barBill]

Originally Posted by Wellington

Checked out a pawn shop yesterday and was looking at a cool little Art & Lutherie parlor, $200 CAD. It had high action at the 12th, playable I'd say, but would be uncomfortable/annoying higher up the neck. Looked at the bridge, the saddle had been sanded down to a point where there is essentially zero break on some strings. You wouldn't be able to get that saddle any lower, it's too low already. Appeared to be a post 06. Anyway, poor soul who spends money on that, hopefully they know what's up and get it dirt cheap and can get a year or two out of it.

Another neck sunken Godin? I have yet to come across one. I have had five Seagull guitars. I currently have four. Two of them are over twenty years old. I have one of the new (2021) Artist Series dreads with the epoxied neck. It plays and sounds great. I think I'll keep it.

[mawmow]

I would shave the BRIDGE a bit, drill holes in the crease behind the saddle
and pass strings from inside the body.

That is the surgery I had done on my Aria AC nylon to extend its life.

[davenumber2]

Originally Posted by 12barBill

Another neck sunken Godin? I have yet to come across one. I have had five Seagull guitars. I currently have four. Two of them are over twenty years old. I have one of the new (2021) Artist Series dreads with the epoxied neck. It plays and sounds great. I think I'll keep it.

I have 3 Seagulls (epoxied) with great neck angles. I'm not going to worry about what MIGHT happen in 20 years.

[emtsteve]

Originally Posted by davenumber2

I have 3 Seagulls (epoxied) with great neck angles. I'm not going to worry about what MIGHT happen in 20 years.

Yep, I own 4, oldest is a 2004 and another from 2008 and the neck angle is fine on all.

[Wellington]

I'm glad you guys haven't had issues, I like these guitars otherwise!
I've had a Godin, 2 S&P's and 1 Seagull. The Godin's nexk sunk at about year 10. My friend has a cool Seagull folk in need of a reset, still playable but I lowered the saddle as much as it can go now. I know a guy that got burned with a Seagull too, second hand so no warranty.
It happens, but probably not often, though I've personally experienced it and seen it a few times now. Enjoy them, you may not need a reset for many years, I fully support that sentiment if it doesn't bother you. It bothers me though, so I can't enjoy them anymore, too sour after my experience. I do love a cedar/ cherry combo though, I've owned a couple and I love the sound.

[Birdbrain]

Originally Posted by Wellington

I'm glad you guys haven't had issues, I like these guitars otherwise!
I've had a Godin, 2 S&P's and 1 Seagull. The Godin's nexk sunk at about year 10.

I wasn't aware that Godin was making flattop acoustics under its own name ten years ago.

[johbren]

my 05 mini jumbo is fine

[L20A]

Please excuse my ignorance but is an epoxy neck joint difficult to heat and remove?

I remember reading that old Yamaha guitars had epoxy necks and these guitars are getting neck re-sets.

[Wellington]

Originally Posted by Birdbrain

I wasn't aware that Godin was making flattop acoustics under its own name ten years ago.

They weren't, it's an archtop.

Originally Posted by L20A

Please excuse my ignorance but is an epoxy neck joint difficult to heat and remove?

I remember reading that old Yamaha guitars had epoxy necks and these guitars are getting neck re-sets.

Yes, pretty well impossible. Most old epoxy Yamaha's get bolt on conversion maybe.
I talked to one guitar repair a little while ago and he said he can't do a neck reset on them because of the epoxy, and also that a bolt on conversion wasn't an option for him because of the truss rod or something. Godin just destroys them if they come back on warranty I assume as they just send you a different guitar instead.