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right on MuzicMaKen .... check out Tim Stafford (Blue Highway). He's swears by his CA, and that man is a pro's pro.
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If you fully believe this, I have a bridge for sale in NY...
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Whether it's true or not, "worry-free" is absolutely how I view my CA guitars, and it's why I bought them. If nothing else, it's a good story, and people love a good story. I think it's in Peavey's best interest to keep that dream alive.
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Larry, I like everyone else respect the heck out of you and know you know your stuff and my reply is in no way intended to be disrespectful to you, but there is no need to try to make us look like idiots with your comments, because we disagree with you... Those who disagree have been belittled by your comments. IF I didn't believe in the guitar I wouldn't have bought it. So please instead of belittling us or looking down on us...maybe educate us in a respectful way..I don't disagree that some would like a truss rod for whatever reason they have, But for those of us who bought CA guitars bought them because we knew they didn't have a truss rod as well as other reasons...I have had one of my CA"s for some time and the only "maintenance" I've had to do to them was change strings... But I also see and understand your point of view on the issue of a truss rod. Like I said you're a respected person around here and I've learned a few things from your posts, but there is no reason to disrespect some of us...I admitted I am not knowledgeable on the technical side or the science of guitar making, but I do know how to thoroughly inspect a guitar to my liking.
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Even stainless steel frets will require replacement, over time. When they do, you will discover that to replace them is more expensive than with standard fretwire...but you seem unaware that the guitars will require re-fretting, after enough playing time. Prior to that, a fret-dress will also be more expensive, due to the stainless steel frets. There may be other maintenance issues that crop up over time, and these have been mentioned on the two current CA/Peavey/Cargo threads...but most have chosen to ignore these issues (changing neck-relief with different gauge strings, etc.). I am not disrespectful of you, nor of your choice. Re-read my other posts. I only am interested in the truth beyond the market-speak. The first Cargo I purchased was defective, and replaced by CA. This was early-on after the Cargo was introduced. It was outside of even their specs for neck-angle, and the guitar could not be set-up properly by anyone. I was pleased with the customer service on the replacement, but not pleased with the product itself...nor the replacement. I do not know if the instrument I returned was destroyed or re-sold. I also received a Cargo from another retailer that was cracked along the area where the body meets the neck. This was just after CA had closed their doors, so while the retailer refunded my money, I have no idea if he ever received compensation for a guitar that was essentially broken and un-repairable. I greatly respect what CA tried to do. I have called the Cargo "brilliant" and "genius" in concept on this thread and others. Disregarding the fact that problems can affect these guitars is not something I am capable of...and much of my posting on these threads has pointed this out...that problems can and do occur. Your post stated that CA guitars never require maintenance. This is simply not true...nor are their necks as "stable" (as you stated) as CA would have had you believe, when they were open for business. These are the realities of the world. There is no real need to "defend" your choice with the CA product, but if you do choose this path, it's best to fully understand what can and does happen to these guitars.
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This is slightly offtopic, but Larry alluded to it--
If I have a CA/carbon guitar with good neck angle and proper relief (for the strings I am using), am I to expect the neck to move over time? As I understood, one of the primary advantages of carbon fiber is it's ability to retain elasticity almost indefinately. |
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Larry is beginning to sound like a scorned lover here - one who will never forgive CA for his Cargo not working out. Larry please dial down the insulting tone. We all respect your playing ability, but you are not the only person here who knows a thing or two about guitar building and set up (or composite construction or polymer science). And while it might not be true for you, for the average player a carbon fiber guitar with stainless frets will be essentially maintenance free and immune to seasonal changes. If you don't accept that - that's fine. |
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I would tend to not be quite so concerned with the stability of CA guitars as Larry, but I am sure I do not play as much as he does. For the average player the stainless steel fret will last a very long time, I would imagine my lifetime, but I am 59 years old at this point. But I have never had to refret my highschool guitar, a Gibson J-45 but have had many other issues that had to be addressed over the years. CA necks do flex but by a very small amount at least on my Legacy. If I have light guage strings on it, it is slightly under 6/64 on the low E. Mediums will take it just slightly over 6/64. If I had a trust rod I doubt that I would make an adjustment cause it is really fine tuning. If you are a professional I can see how this could be an issue but for the vast majority of players I doubt that it would be. I think the questioning of the stability of a carbon neck is a bit of a stretch. I am not loosing sleep over that one.
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I apologize to any that may have been offended by my approach on this topic.
It's in my nature to seek the truth (when possible), and also to be somewhat blunt with my observations and comments. I do not intend to offend...I hope that this discussion (and the "poll" thread) have added to the knowledge base of those reading, and that we can all be more aware of what exists, and of what might be possible with Peavey and the former CA line-up. Peace.
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Good to see CA will rise and it's good to hear they will make no changes, especially with regards to keeping the build here in the US, at least for now. My prediction however is that Peavey will eventually build the Cargo overseas using a less expensive material. One thing for sure, I will not be selling my Cargo anytime soon, in fact I will be looking for another.
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Forgive the question. Im VERY new here. What is the difference between the CA's and a Rainsong?
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Wow! cool
I have a the CA Cargo and the Blade and love them! I'm running the Blade Through a Phil Jones Cub and mic'ng the cub with an sm57 running into the Pa and I love it! I'm getting a nice acoustic sound and I don't have to worry about fighting my way through shows and rehearsals with feedback. Looking forward to checking out some more of what Peavey will do with the CA guitars -ev |
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Heard they are going to try to have the whole lineup in stores by December, it will be fascinating to see the guitars again. They will be under CA name not Peavey I was told. Bet ya they get a great Cargo out first.
Steve
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