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I am giving the nod to Collings, although as everyone has stated, both make superb instruments. I have found the build to be more consistent and generally a heavier guitar than the comparable SC models. That said, the Collings sound fits my ears better and does not really seem "heavier." Another perception I have with Santa Cruz, is that is seems to me their number of dealers has diminished over the last 3-4 years and therefore they are not as available to play as the Collings guitars. Has anyone else noted that?
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I have a similar sort of feeling towards the guitars the two companies build. I don't think there's any question but that Collings has much better quality control, but Collings has better quality control than anybody else in the business.
What I've found, in terms of tone, I tend to prefer SCGC's interpretations of guitar model styles first developed by Martin (dreadnoughts, and especially OM's) while I think the Collings interpretations of guitar model styles first developed by Gibson are just outstanding. The Collings version of the J-185, for example, the Collings SJ, is just a terrific guitar. So, short version: for Martin-style guitars, I think the Santa Cruz versions sound sweeter, and for Gibson-style guitars, I love the Collings versions. Hope that makes sense. Wade Hampton Miller |
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Comes down to the neck joint for me, and that means TONE. I know it's probably my imagination (not), but I like the old way (dovetail) better... creates a better sound to me every time...
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You might find this discussion interesting: Dovetail Joint Revelation. I'm beginning to feel that it's time that the old dovetail vs bolt-on hypothesis was laid to rest. No offense against you personally, forum member. It's just that some of that long held dogmatic belief that tends to circulate on these forums probably causes people to ignore otherwise excellent guitars, and for no good reason. Enjoy the link! ... JT
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Go ahead and spend a ton of money on a "boutique" bolt-on if it makes you happy... stick to Gibson and Martin (or Santa Cruz) and you'll make other people happy... Last edited by kohara; 05-25-2010 at 09:49 PM. |
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I'm surprised that currently the poll is basically draw, with a slight favor towards SC. Based on what I've observed from AGF so far, I was expecting 60% of the votes would go to Collings.
My own preference will depend on my 'psychoacoustic' condition at the moment. I can imagine prefering SC on one day, and Collings on another day. But over the long-run, I think it'll be a toss overall where Collings will slightly win on the construction quality & aesthetic aspects, while SC will be slightly more appealing to my tonal taste. Colllings OM2HA and D2HA that I tried were really really impressive. I'd even say incredible. Loud, powerful, bright, well-defined, fast-attack, lots of headroom, obviously very well built. The D2HA was a cannon's cannon; extremely powerful guitar. OM1MhSB was also excellent, although not as good as the other two. Santa Cruz OM/PW, OM and H were also very very good. Definitely more vintage sounding, full, darker, warmer than Collings, though not as powerful. Perhaps more suitable for light fingerficking. The OM/PW was very light, responsive, articulate and very resonant. Kind of Colling-ish, IMO. The OM was very rich, complex, long sustain; the sound has been haunting me for weeks. The H was LOUD; I mean it just defies its size. I myself am buying a SC Model F, which is supposed to sound like OM only bigger & bassier. It's comparable to other builders' "small jumbo" or Martin 0000/M; kind of like a medium between OM and Dread. I may come back with additional report in a couple of weeks.
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Why do no major artists, absolutely none (besides Lyle Lovett) play Collings or Santa Cruz? There's gotta be a reason for that???
Regarding acoustics... I'm watching a DVD of Neil Young playing some fabulous Martins... I have others with David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, Emmylou Harris, Graham Nash, Joe Walsh, Chet Atkins and Jackson Browne playing Gibsons, JT playing an Olson, Mac McAnally, Steve Howe, David Crosby, Dan Fogelberg, Joni Mitchell and Stephen Stills playing Martins... Why? |
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Collings Pete Huttlinger, Tyler Grant, Josh Hungate, Brad Davis, Kenny and Amanda Smith, Jim Lauderdale, Tim O'Brien, Chris Hillman, Herb Peterson, Mark Cosgrove, Steve Kaufman, James Nash, Chris Newman, Cody Kilby, Keith Sewell, Rich Brotherton, David Doucet. See also http://www.collingsguitars.com/artists.php?ID=1 Santa Cruz Alex Beaton Alex Beckman Alex Brumel Alex Burns Amy Fox Andre Marchand Andrew Jackson Arlen Roth Arturo Fiesta Circo Barbara Higbie (Windham Hill) Bart Allmand Ben Harper Betsy Rose Bill Frisell Bill Furner Bill Nershi (String Cheese Incident) Bob Brozman Bob Carlin Booie Beach (Lonesome Standard Time) Brad Davis (Forrester Sisters) Brad Pitt Brian May Bruce Johnson (Laurel Canyon Ramblers) Bruce Molsky Bubba Cloud jr. Caren Armstrong Carol McComb Cathy Fink Chelsea Constable Cher Chris Hillman Chris Robinson Christoph Scheffler Colin Hay (Men At Work) Courtney Patty Curt Coffield Dag Ingebrigtsen Dan & Leland Dan Ar Braz Dan Tyminski Dan Vickery (Counting Crows) Dana Hess Danny Heines (Shadowfax) Darol Anger Dave Keuning (The Killers) Dave Matthews David Crosby David Grier David Templeton David Thiele David Wilson Dennis Robbins Dick Hardwick Dickey Betts Doc Watson Don Chapman Don Cook Don Edwards Doug Sauter & Joshua Strodtman (Blueprintmusic) Duck Baker Dudley Murphy (Radio Flyer) Ed Littlefield Jr. Ed Pettersen Ed Stankewick AKA "Mr. S" Ellis Paul Elvis Costello Enrique Coria (David Grisman Quintet) Eric Clapton Eric Skye Frank Montgomery Gary Burnette Gary Moore Gary Talley George Kuo Gillian Welch Glen Frey (Eagles) Greg Merkle Gypsy Soul - Roman Morykit Hans York Harry West Hazel Wrigley Henry Kaiser Herb Pederson Hoku Zuttermeister Howard Yearwood Hugh Williams (Lionel Ritchie) Ilse DeLange J.J. McGeehan Jack Black James Nash (the Waybacks) Janis Ian Jason Mozersky Jeannie West Jed Marum Jeff Barbra Jeff Tweedy (Wilco) Jill Khovy Jill Knight Jimmy Buffett Joan Baez Joe Reyes Joe Weed Joey Miskulin John Denver John Hawes John Mayer John McCutcheon John Paul Walters John Wilcox (Marley's Ghost) Johnny Cash Johnny Mack Jonathan Maness Julian Lage Kenny Loggins Kenny Sultan Kent Blazy Kevin Kastning Kim Forrester (Forrester Sisters) Kristin Andreassen (Uncle Earl) Lani Nash Larry Graff (Banana Slug String Band) Laurence Juber (Paul McCartney & Wings) Ledward Kaapana Maarten Decombel Manuel Auteri Marc Copely Marcy Marxer Mark Casstevens Mark Karan (Bob Weir and Ratdog) Martha Schuyler Thompson Martin Taylor Martyn Joseph Matt Malley (Counting Crows) Matt Nolen Max Fisher Michael Hearne Michael Ronstadt (Santa Cruz River Band) Mike Jones Mike Severs Milow Mira Sorvino Nancy Blake Nat Keefe (Hot Buttered Rum) Neal Hellman Neil Hogan Nick Charles Nils Tuxen Nokie Edwards (The Ventures) Norman Blake Otis Taylor Paolo Saporiti Pat Flynn Patti Smith Pedro Arévalo Perry Sellars Peter Blood Peter Kaukonen Priscilla Herdman Rex Goh Richard Bennett Richard Julian Rick Carter (Rollin In the Hay) Robert Plant Roger Reed (Laurel Canyon Ramblers) Roman Morykit (Gypsy Soul) Ron Block Ron Loo Rory Bourke Ross Turner Russ Barenberg Ruthie Foster Ruud Houweling (Cloudmachine) Sarah Pirkle Scott Coney Scott Law Sergio Lara Simon Nicol (Fairport Convention) Skip Ewing Small Town Poets SONiA (Disappear Fear) Sterling Ball Steve Earle Steve Miller (Fly By Night) Steve Palazzo (Homefire) Steven Sheehan Susan Graham-White (Banana Slug String Band) The Endpins Teho Teardo Tim Farrell Tim Ware Todd Taggart Tom Ball Tom Paxton Tommy Comeaux Tony King (Brooks And Dunn) Tony Rice Trey Hensley Ueli von Allmen Vance Gilbert Vicki Randle (The Tonight Show Band) Wade Garrett (Bluegrass Diamonds) Walter Carvalho Warren Haynes Will Ackerman William Coulter Wyatt Rice
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No disrespect intended, but the reason is simply that you haven't been paying attention. I mean Tony Rice plays a SCGC when the Martin is in the shop, or he doesn't want to deal with the hassle. Adam Aijala plays a Collings, and he probably plays acoustic guitar in front of more people every year than just about anybody on the planet. And let's not forget that we recently learned that Conan O'Brien rocks a Collings. I mean, c,mon, how big do you want?
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Way to start a flame war, dude. Do your own research.
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[QUOTE=warfrat73;2236612]Way to start a flame war, dude. Do your own research.[/QU
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I apologize for fanning the flames, I was tired and cranky.
But, your original point wasn't that "nobody plays them as their ONLY guitar," it was that "nobody, not one single major artist (except Lyle Lovett) plays them." This is clearly not true, demonstrably so. Yes, a lot famous people that play Collings and SCGC play other stuff as well, but then again so do most people on this forum that own one or the other. I could post image after image to prove this, but I've got better things to do.
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