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I bought one of the early Cargo's, I don't notice any issues with the guitar, but what would I know, I'm just a regular hack, but I'm looking forward to a review or 2 from you guys who will be fortunate enough to get your hands on one of the new models at Namm ...
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I own a March 2008 Cargo RT and October 2008 GXi, both bought new. I notice no problems with either of them.
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Well, for those of you who believe there has never been anything needing correcting on CA guitars, you are in luck. Peavey is improving that which never needed improvement.
For those who felt there were some issues that could be corrected to improve the product, you are in luck. Some changes are on the horizon.
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OpenD: Great post!
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By the way, the CA website is active again, though not really anything on it yet (other than an announcement about NAMM in Jan 2011). |
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Ditto! That's the most intelligent, sensible and complete post I've ever read on this subject. Thanks for this, OpenD!
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My CA-OX is a great guitar. Nice tone, good action and perfect to travel with. I haven't had any issues with mine. I took it to my set up guy who remarked how good it sounds compared to other carbons he's played. At home it's not my favorite guitar, but I'm quite pleased with it and happy that I bought it.
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I have 3 carbon fiber guitars (CA OX-Raw; RainSong H-DR100N2; and a Blackbird Super OM Nylon [one of 5 made]) and a Martin D-35. I have never held nor played a CA Cargo, so have no opinion on it. BUT, my CA OX-Raw is a comfortable, nicely playable, excellent sounding instrument and has made a great travel guitar for me. Like a previous poster, I don't get into measuring, etc., but I know what feels good to me. The carbon fiber guitars do not sound like the Martin, but I don't believe they are intended to -- each of them has a unique tone, as does the D-35.
The only issues I had originally with my OX were that I thought the fret ends were a bit sharp and the edges of the nut were a bit sharp: Both problems were solved when I took it to Elderly and had it set up a year ago in September. As they say in the TV commercial: "Set it and forget it" -- the instrument is STABLE. If Peavy has recognized problems, I'm glad that they will fix them; but I can't accept that the problems were prevalent across the CA line. I wish them good luck. Ray
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OpenD..great post
I have a custom GX, a custom Legend dread, and a RT Cargo. My braz Martin D-35 and pre 70 D-18's sit in their cases with their Oasis humidifiers because I am terrified they will crack over the Minnesota winter. Funny thing is, they sit in their cases year round because I like the CA instruments better. I restrung them all several months ago and have not even had to tune one since despite going from 90 degrees and muggy to zero degrees and bone dry temps here. I have owned three CA instruments and played numerous others and have never found one with any sort of neck angle issue that I could detect. I really hope Peavey does not screw things up with a truss rod or other unnecessary changes. The prices the Cargo instruments are going for now is evidence of how gret they are, and I think the prices will just keep going for the pre-Peavey variety. |
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"Groundless opinions", eh? I'll address one thing from your lengthy post filled with unsubstantiated assumptions: Every Cargo I laid my hands on had a significant (negative) change in action when going from lights to medium gauge strings. Measurable. This was due to increased relief in the neck, and also (as it was pointed out here) additional flex at the neck/body area. Not much saddle showing over the bridge both before and after any string changes...poor neck angle. Peavey has said (also according to info posted here, on this "goofy" thread) that they are addressing the neck angle issue. Good for them. Your opinions on the stability of the CA product (in regards to the Cargo) may be misplaced. Calling other opinions "groundless" (do you know me?) and labeling this thread as "goofy" does not elevate the status of your opinion.
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BTW I played several Cargo's plus an OX and some others, when I bought mine, and none had any issues.
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The last 5 cargo guitars sold on Ebay have gone for somewhere between $1300 and 1600. There is a gloss cargo for sale right now on Ebay at $1225 and has not hit reserve. A few months ago they were going for around $700-800. The market is definitely moving for Cargo instruments, less so for other models.
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Regarding the Cargo: The necks are rigid. Mediums work well. The neck angle works fine. And the "wammy bar" effect you get from flexing the guitar between head and tail seems to me less than I see in most wooden guitars.
However, NAMM is only a month away. I'm looking forward to seeing what Peavey has changed, and whether the changes are actually improvements.
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whew... what a discussion!
As long as they don't have ugly PV headstocks, and play as well and sound as good as the Rainsongs I've played... BUT ARE CHEAPER, I'm game. No, I'm not saying Rainsongs are overpriced. I'm saying they cost more money than I am willing to pay. Different. So when will China start churning out CF guitars that are as good as the Rainsongs? They seem to be doing it with the wood guitars...
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